New York Times Editorial on #Black Lives Matter- with comment chain



 New York Times Editorial on #Black Lives Matter
 
To discuss this issue productively it must be removed from partisan politics; beyond the vilification of the movement by Republicans and support by many Democrats there is a reality. Let's accept that there is a group pathology brewed of fear and power among many police departments. And we must also speak the unspeakable, that African American young men do commit more violent crimes than other groups. We are also the only country where by default, almost anyone may carry an instrument that can cause instant death in the time it takes for a policeman to approach a driver.
It is not politically possible to remove guns from our society, yet police are charged with engaging situations of potential lethal danger. I follow a website that endorses and has a majority of members of #blacklivesmatter. There is no toleration for comments such as I just wrote, and for those who agree with the conclusion of Eric Holder's department of Justice that Michael Brown did not have his hands up when shot is excoriated. In spite of extensive testimony and forensic evidence to the contrary, they believe as an article of faith that this young man was assassinated by the Ferguson Police Department.

Government police power is feared and hated by the extremes of left and of right. It's part of our DNA, but it's getting dangerous. We have tried zero tolerance and three strike out, and now are going in the other direction.

Partisan buzzwords only makes this worse.

AlRodbell.com




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From: Kye

Washington, D.C. 54 minutes ago
 

Whether or not black males commit more violent crimes doesn't justify police brutality. Several recent incidents that attracted national attention show that many of these police officers have an "us v. them" mentality and could benefit for better training. For example, Walter Scott was shot in the back while running from a cop, Freddie Gray went into a paddy wagon alive and came out near death, Tamir Rice (a 12 year old) was shot dead by a cop for brandishing a toy gun, Eric Garner was choked to death while selling loosies. I could go on and on. The use tropes like "African American males commits more violent crimes", and presenting them as fact is unproductive and largely informed by popular television programs rather than actual statistics. Above all, it does not justify the deaths of innocent people.





Kye,
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In response to my comment you wrote, "Whether or not black males commit more violent crimes doesn't justify police brutality. Several recent incidents that attracted national attention show that many of these police officers have an "us v. them" mentality and could benefit for better training."

I fully agree with the above, yet the "us v. them" phenomenon is found in situations such as troops at war throughout history and controlled experiments where the dynamics are synthesized, such as found in a search of "Stanford prison experiment"  While this thread of research ended in the 1970s gives a depressing view of human propensity of lack of empathy, they provide clues on how to dissect the combination of rules and personality traits of those in authority to mitigate this major social problem.

AlRodbell.com  

Guest Poem

The Swallows


Over the door a nest
not there last weekend.
The swallows now must share the porch
disturbing our breakfast of coffee and muffins
flying around our heads. 
Apple cinnamon muffins.
Making me giggle while I duck the swallows. 
They perch on the window checking us
checking the nest.
We are all waiting for the same thing
us and the swallows
for the eggs to hatch and big mouths showing above the rim.
Barn swallows.
Why do they nest on our house.
We do have a barn you know.
A nest above our door,
another at the far end of the porch,
and one at the back of the house.
Spring is over
but the swallows keep nesting.
A summer full of mud and down falling to the floor
sticking to the floor
sticking and sticking
like the nest is sticking over our door. 
Never again we say. 
Next summer there cannot be a nest over our door.
They can have the far end of the porch
and the back of our house
but not our entrance door.
So we hang a blue and orange chipmunk,
a prize at the county fair we thought we'd never need,
and now we have a nest at the end of the porch and
at the back of our house
but the entrance door is ours.

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Sheila Berkman Rodbell
Canaan N.Y
August 1994

The Storm has Come

The Storm has Come
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Seems it never rains in Southern California
Seems it is rain we have in Southern California
Seems the rain never ends in Southern California
Little Mitchie’s deep hole in the yard where he nestled
secure next to the house of those who feed him
Is now a deep ditch of rain, of water
He couldn’t suss the warnings of El Nino Godzilla
He could not run one more time in the bright sun
Knowing the deluge was bearing down
To oppress him, to constrain him, to keep him apart
from those he would sniff, eye to eye
exploding into the ecstasy of play

The Storm has come
The blue sky has turned dark
Grey then black, with flashes
crashes, warnings known to Dorothy
No basement for refuge
A brief parting of heavens, the sun shining
Mitch, let’s go, let’s frolic
Time is short
Now, the green is greener
Color, explodes in all its glory
giving joy to man and beast

The Storm will come
A storm will come
The klaxon call getting louder
deafens us to its sound
No God to curse
No God to praise
No God to beg for mercy
The long story of humanity
from beast to Solon 
A brief long slog
protected by space
isolating insane rage
So some would
always survive

Google against Babel
Gog against Magog
Dams against the Flood.
God in heaven laughs
with majestic joyous exultation
as he has become bored with his game
and will finally enjoy watching his
creatures scurry, groping for
an understanding
that He never
instilled in
them
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Al Rodbell
First week of 2016

My ongoing conversation with Bertrand Russell

Short Bio of Bertrand Russell: British author, humanist, logician, mathematician, pacifist, &; philosopher; tried to reduce mathematics to axioms; Russell's paradox 1902; co-wrote "Principia Mathematica" 1903; Nobel Prize in Literature 1950

This article you are reading in the form of a conversation using quotations of one of the most revered intellectuals of the 20th century, and who like those such as Albert Einstein, are often quoted by unknowns, such as this writer  Those in boldface are from  a list of quotations that has a link for sources to show that they were actually his, and not apocryphal.  Some of the sources are no more than other unsourced lists of quotes, but others are linked to his books, so we know are legit .  I use them here to... well you will see as this goes on.  By the way, I take the liberty of softening some of the words that come from this source of the quote (which I recommend reading)  such as "stupid man" is changed to  "simplistic person"

A simplistic person's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.

This has meaning to me, since I often have to use a bunch of words to convey my message.  It's not unusual for someone to get peeved, and say, "Could you just put all that in one sentence!"  Now you see why I changed the rude word to one that is kinder, since the people who are offended by my  expostulations are my friends.
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This one is listed as tenth in the sixty eight in the website.  Since it's more apocryphal than those with references to his books, I will further change one word, "instincts" to "beliefs" keeping the thought intact:

If a man is offered a fact which goes against his beliefs, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence.

This has now come under the social psychological rubric of "confirmation bias." also included in  academic fields such as political science and epistemology.  Like so much of Bertrand Russell's work, his insights were the source of entire fields of research.  His aphorisms included warning about the authoritative nature of academic hierarchies in the quote beginning "passive acceptance" below. This prediction gets little coverage in academia, as I'm sure he would have guessed.
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In looking over the quotes, this one has me worried; but I can vouch for its insightful wisdom.  This one is from one of Russell's books that is on the internet, Conquest of Happiness (1930) ch. 5  (Russell couldn't have imagined that his insights would become instantaneously available to anyone in the world with a few keystrokes on a magic device that linked to a vast library in the sky)

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The following one has meaning to me right now:

"One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important."

I'm currently involved in exploring something that to me is more than "terribly important" nothing less than preserving a conduit to "truth" in a world that seems to be addicted to fantasy, or "extreme political combat."  I've even connected with Russell's intellectual successor "Noam Chomsky" and gotten one precious line of encouragement, which is only fueling my potential manic stage that is a precursor to the inevitable psychiatric sequelae.   This is the "delusional" quest, the N.Y. Times Appeals court distortion, for those who haven't seen it yet.
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 The  following sums up a theme for much of my writing, as this truism seems not only profound but accurate. 



Passive acceptance of the teacher's wisdom is easy to most boys and girls. It involves no effort of independent thought, and seems rational because the teacher knows more than his pupils; it is moreover the way to win the favor of the teacher unless the student is very exceptional.. Yet the habit of passive acceptance is a disastrous one in later life. It causes man to seek and to accept a leader, and to accept as a leader whoever is established in that position.

It is not only boys and girls who become passive listeners rather than active participants who weigh their own observations and tentative hypotheses with that of the teacher, but the process is pernicious, as passivity becomes the norm into adulthood.  This explanation holds for many areas of life, including lectures by theoretical physics at respected universities, (as explored here)  
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The following expands on a description and explanation for the mass passivity that leaves an opening to those who can project authority, in any of its forms. 

Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth -- more than ruin -- more even than death.... Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man.

While the above "fear" is widely true, there are a few for whom thought, the effort to understand that which goes beyond "comfortable habit" is a relief because they do not have such comfort in their own life.  For these few, the solace is in exploring the why and how of the world, as being part of the game isn't an option.  Whether the fame of genius or the infamy of destroyers, isolation," odd duckism" may be a factor.  From that misfit Jesus Christ to Ted Kaczynski, whose tragic youth and emergence as the Unibomber was a case history in how to create a monster out of a genius.

Correction of 2011 N.Y. Times article on arrest of terror suspect

The following is a description of my intervention with the New York Times for an error in reporting of this article on a suspected terrorist in 2011.  It is to show the contrast  between the Time's response to a similar intervention about a 2015 article on an Appeals Court decision to show my expectation of respectful cooperation with readers whose attempt is to improve the accuracy of this news organization.  A careful reading shows the contrast to circle-the-wagons mentality that I am currently challenging.  Abby Goodnough is the reporter for the Times, who finally supported both of my suggested corrections, even though her editor only chose to append one to the article.  
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Email: alvrdb-brt@yahoo.com
URL:
Comments:
Abby,

No response from anyone at the Times. Wrote another article on Dailykos with the Times target of my criticism, but I carefully read the DOJ report and understand how you could have been confused, as they began by describing the plane as " large remote controlled aircraft" and that could have been confused with an actual drone aircraft.and only later use the words,"Ferdaus stated that he planned to attack the Pentagon using aircraft similar to "small drone airplanes" filled with explosives and guided by GPS equipment"

I assume the caption on the photo was yours, and not from the DOJ. as you appear to have assumed that it was a full size airplane. I may be the only one on this right now, and I'm a N.Y. Times fan. The article should have a correction added that clears up any confusion.

The integrity of this paper means more than any employee, executive or reader. So, let's acknowledge that there was confusion, and by doing so preserve the Times reputation.

Here's the dailykos essay

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/05/1022865/-NYTimes-circles-the-wagons?showAll=yes&via=blog_475686

If your article was misleading, so was the DOJs release, which raises other serious issues. I don't want to let this drop for reasons I allude to in my essay, as we all must learn from this.

Al Rodbell






--- On Wed, 10/5/11, Goodnough, Abby wrote:

From: Goodnough, Abby
Subject: RE: READER MAIL: Abby Goodnough
To: " alvrdb-brt@yahoo.com " < alvrdb-brt@yahoo.com >
Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 2:50 PM
Dear Mr. Rodbell,

Thank you for your e-mails. I read your post on dailykos. You are correct about the fact that the undercover agents did not directly provide Ferdaus with a plane; they gave him the money for it. We are running a correction on this.

I don't, however, believe any other correction is warranted. I did not assume it was a large airplane and don't believe the story implies that.

Best, Abby Goodnough
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From: Al Rodbell [mailto: alvrdb-brt@yahoo.com ]
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:18 PM
To: Goodnough, Abby
Cc: nytimes, public
Subject: RE: READER MAIL: Abby Goodnough

 
Abby Goodnough
Reporter, N.Y. Times
 
Dear Ms. Goodnough
 
Thanks for your response.
 
You wrote "  I did not assume it was a large airplane and don't believe the story implies that."  
 
You may know what you assumed, but a writer is always the worst person to know what an audience will infer.  This is dependent on their background knowledge,mindset and specific knowledge of the subject.  Anyone who had seen a news report, almost all of them using the term model or toy planes, would not be confused at all.   But those who had not, like myself, and others whom I sent a link of your article,, asking "what is the approximate wingspan of the plane, 5 ft or 50ft?" were not clear that it was closer to five feet.   I can send you the exchange of letters if interested.      
 
To understand my motivation for pursuing this you may want to read this article that was the only comprehensive defense of the recent N.Y. Times piece on Darrell Issa that appeared in his California congressional district.(article posted below, from The Coast News)   I predicated it on the inherent accuracy of the N.Y. Times, which makes me feel I have a right, and an obligation to ensure that this trust continues to be justified. 
 
I suggest you read again the comment by user G2Geek, who, based on other comments, seems to have expertise in this area of counter terrorism.  He explains the potential public harm of your article leading/allowing some to believe it was a full size drone,   
 
I have no desire to personally criticize you, as your reporting should not be evaluated on any single article.  Since the DOJ report was unclear, and you were constrained by quoting their ambiguous words,  even though you understood that it was a small plane, the article was, in fact, confusing to, at the least, some of your readers.
 
A close reading of the DOJ press release shows the conflicting purposes of their report; assuring the public that there never was a real danger, yet by calling the weapon a "large remote controlled aircraft filled with C-4 plastic explosives." pointing out the massive harm that was averted.  The report describes the drone in two different places once as "large" and later as "small" reflecting their mixed message that while there never was a danger, it was a really big danger that there never was!.  
 
The caption of the photo is clearly misleading.  If it was supplied by the Times, this too should be corrected.  Rather than " A model of an F-86 drone, a real version of which was reportedly given to the suspect, it should read,something like " A model of an F-86 drone like to the one reported procured by the accused"   This single additional correction would clear up any remaining ambiguity.  
 
I have copied this exchange of emails to the public editor whom I had emailed previously  
 
Regards
 
Al Rodbell
Encinitas CA
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I see what you mean about the photo caption, which I did not write or even see until now. I’ve told the editors we should run a correction. 

Thanks, Abby
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Our New Congressman -
 OpEd from The Coast News, Encinitas CA- Sept 1, 2011 -- assumes that N.Y. Times article is accurate.

Under the new redistricting for the House of Representatives, the cities of Carlsbad and Encinitas will have a new incumbent for the next election. The last thing that Issa wanted was to have his new constituents introduced to him by a critical article in the left leaning New York Times.

If you know that a major newspaper is about to do an article that is part of a series on Congressional corruption, you could work with the reporter to make sure it’s accurate. The other strategy is to refuse to answer any questions, trusting that errors would seep through that could be used to refute the entire article as an irresponsible smear. This was Representative Issa’s strategy, and it looks like it worked.
Not only has the substance of the article been overshadowed by his claim that the article was libelous, but it has made most local media gun shy about reporting another newsworthy story.

The series of articles (available from the Time’s website) had included two legislators from each party to make the larger point; the individuals being examples of the damage that was done by the current lax ethical norms. The other featured legislators engaged in a dialog with the paper to improve accuracy; only Issa refusing to even respond to phone calls.

As chair of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Issa has the broad authority to look at every aspect of our vast federal government. In such a forest of agencies there is abundant low hanging fruit; some such as the ill conceived Mexican gun running sting approved under the Obama administration, and others of vastly greater importance, that represent endemic corruption of both parties by powerful special interests such as the financial industry.

In 2008 the repeal or lack of enforcement of laws overseeing financial institutions brought our country, and the world, to the brink of financial collapse. One company representative of this industry, Goldman Sachs, not only survived, but benefited greatly from the TARP bailout that was initiated under the Bush administration and continued under Obama.

In order to prevent such a disaster from occurring again, the “Restoring American Financial Stability Act of 2010” was signed, which has become one of the targets for repeal or evisceration by the new Republican majority in the house, with the effort lead by Issa’s committee.

The very day that the Times article came out, Atlantic Monthly Online disclosed a relationship between Issa and Goldman Sachs. Going beyond the corrupting effect of battalions of lobbyists and unlimited campaign contributions, Issa seems to have pushed the envelope. He hired a lawyer who had been a vice president of Goldman Sachs under the name of Peter Simonyi to be in charge of writing revisions of the 2010 law. The reason this was not known to the public is that he had subsequently changed his name to Peter Haller.

The New York Times can ignore spurious accusations of libel, but smaller media outlets are hesitant to incur the wrath of a powerful legislator threatening lawsuits who is one of the wealthiest members of Congress.

So, we can be sure that the Union Tribune, on whose pages the libel claim appeared, will not follow up with a challenge that Issa actually initiate such a suit-or withdraw the accusation; as the Times, after correcting two items, has defended the substance of its article.

The Supreme Court under the recent Citizens United case has opened the floodgates of corporate wealth dominating campaign advertising. We know that corporations such as Goldman Sachs can finance the ads that inundate us during elections, but we didn’t know that one of their recent executives was drafting the laws under which they will operate.

North Coast San Diego now has a member of Congress with the power to make a difference in political life. This gives us, the voters, the potential to influence the direction of the committee that he chairs — whether it shall be focused on partisan gains for next election, or on reforming the endemic corruption of government that threatens us as a nation.

This is the ever-greater historical challenge, one that will only be undertaken if we, Issa’s constituents, demand it.

Al Rodbell is an Encinitas resident.
 Read more of Mr. Rodbell’s work at Alrodbell.blogspot.com.